Guest
Jason Jones is a film producer, author, activist, popular podcast host, and human rights worker. He is president of the Human-Rights Education and Relief Organization (H.E.R.O.), known for its two main programs, the Vulnerable People Project and Movie to Movement. His humanitarian efforts have aided millions in Afghanistan, Nigeria, and the Ukraine, as well as pregnancy centers and women’s shelters throughout North America. He is the author a several books, and his latest is The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset from Crisis Publications.
Links
- The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset (book):
- “The Jason Jones Show” (podcast)
- Vulnerable People Project
Transcript
Eric Sammons:
The Great Reset still sounds like, to some, like a crazy conspiracy theory. Today we’re going to talk about what it is, why it’s real, and most importantly how to fight against it. Hello, I’m Eric Sammons, your host. Editor and chief of Crisis Magazine. Before we get started, just want to encourage people to hit that like button, subscribe to channel, let other people know about it. Also, you can subscribe to our email newsletter. Just go to crisismagazine.com, put your email address, and we will send you an email once a day with our articles, right to your inbox.
Okay, let’s get started. We’ve got Jason Jones back, which we’re very excited about. I feel like if I do your bio, it would be easier to say what you haven’t done. It’d take less time. But I want to give a few highlights so people know exactly a lot of the activities you’ve been up to.
You’re a film producer, author, activist, popular podcast host, human rights worker, president of The Human Rights Education and Relief Organization, known for its two main programs, The Vulnerable People Project, and Movie to Movement, sorry. I’m going to put in here, I do not … My wife and I, we don’t give to very many organizations, but we do give to Vulnerable People Project. I think it’s a very noble cause. I think we talked about in our last podcast. I’ll put a link to that so people can see it. But just, it does wonderful work.
His humanitarian efforts have aided millions in Afghanistan, Nigeria and the Ukraine, as well as pregnancy centers and women’s shelters throughout North America. He authored several books including your latest, which is proudly published by Crisis Publications, The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset. Welcome to program, Jason.
Jason Jones:
Eric, it’s a privilege to be back on your show. Thank you. Thank you for supporting VPP. That means the world.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah, I mean, really I encourage people to watch the last podcast, we talked about it in more detail there. We won’t go into it here. But it’s really is just incredible work you’re doing all around the world. And in fact, before we get started, The Great Reset and all that, why don’t you just tell us what you’ve been up to lately besides writing the book. But I know you’re always active with stuff. I’m sure this bio is even dated by now. But what’s the latest stuff that you’re working on right now?
Jason Jones:
Well, since I think the last time we talked, I’m still in Afghanistan. We’re evacuating and resettling religious minorities in our former Afghan allies who are not safe in Afghanistan. We’ve continued to do that with the Civil War in Sudan. We’ve been very involved in delivering food to try to ameliorate the suffering of the people of Sudan. Famine is barreling down, they’re anticipating 8 million dead this year.
And we’ve been evacuating women and children primarily from the Christian community, but not just from the Christian community, from Gaza. We had just some beautiful news in the past week or past two weeks. A woman that we evacuated from Gaza, she was wounded, she was starving, she was pregnant with which she thought were twins. But she just gave birth to triplets, and the mom’s healthy, and the babies are healthy. And on top of that, I am writing my next book for Sophia Press, and I’ll be in Spain.
I’m headed to the Middle East soon. And then, late June and early July, I’ll be in Spain shooting my next movie, Hills Like White Elephants by Ernest Hemingway. So we’re keeping busy. And it sounds like I do a lot, but I really do one thing, two ways. My job is to defend the vulnerable from violence. That’s why I founded Hero over 20 years ago. And we do that two ways. By inspiring solidarity and by promoting human dignity.
So you can look at the podcast, the articles, the books. The activism, really we’re trying to defend the vulnerable from violence by promoting human dignity and inspiring solidarity. Whether it’s the child in the womb, or the Christian families and the Holy Family parish in Gaza, or the Jews in Africa. We provide security for synagogues and Catholic churches, and other ecclesial communities facing Islamist extremism across Africa.
But at the end of the day, it’s really just one thing that we’re doing and we’re seeking to defend the vulnerable from violence. And I see behind you, our Lord on the cross. And we look to the Pieta and our lady as sort of the symbol of what our apostolate is. And we want to be with our Lord when He’s in the cross. And I think the way that we do that, in a way that we can evangelize most efficiently is serving the most vulnerable people in the world quietly and humbly with fortitude and diligence. And that’s what we seek to do at Hero, and through VPP and Movie to Movement.
Eric Sammons:
I mean just the … I saw this, I think … I’m not sure if it was on Facebook or Twitter somewhere, where I saw the story of the pregnant mother in Gaza. And it’s amazing. Because we see what’s happening there, and we think to ourselves there’s a humanitarian crisis. And I think most of us sit in our comfortable houses in America and think, “Oh, this is awful.” But that’s kind of where we end.
We just stop there, and yet you’re doing something. And by supporting you, I think people then can know that, “Okay, you’re actually helping real people.” That’s actually why I’m not a fan of a lot of these major charitable organizations. Because I feel like what I’m giving money to then is their bureaucracy, and potentially their woke ideology at times. But it’s like you have examples of real people. And I mean, I almost want to ask, I’m not even sure if I can ask this, but how do you get somebody out of Gaza? I mean right now. I mean, it seems like an impossible task.
Jason Jones:
I was interviewed by a reporter just last week, and she asked me the same question. She was like, “It’s because you’re a veteran. It’s your military experience.” And they always want to think that. And I’m like, “No, the truth is …” The reporter did not expect this. I said, “We’re a Christian organization. The body of Christ is everywhere. And we work with the communities we serve to serve those communities. I knit together teams. We’re very good at logistics and team building. And we have teams in the most remote parts of Afghanistan, inside Gaza, across Africa. We can knit together teams. It’s really the body of Christ.”
And the other thing I told this reporter, which I don’t think she expected is it’s my long … Even when I was a young soldier, I was very active in the pro-life movement. In the pro-life movement, and I started in the late 80s, we had to work without anyone saying, “Attaboy, you’re a hero.” No, they’d spit in your face. You would have to … When I was … Founded the pro-Life student unit at the University of Hawaii, it wasn’t like the faculty and administration celebrated me for my human rights work, which is what that was.
And you’re able to walk in the darkness towards an objective with no reasonable, reasonable hope of success. But we know we will succeed. And so, I think what … The VPP is made up of Catholics who came up in the pro-life movement. We seek to do an authentic consistent ethic. Not what we’ve often been told is a consistent ethic, which is where you drowned the child in the womb in an ocean filled with prudential issues.
But where we recognize that there are liking incommensurate issues to abortion. For example, democide and genocide. And we seek to defend the most vulnerable people in the world when others won’t stand with them. And we don’t need to talk about this today, but it comes from when I was a young man, and I was not in a position to defend my vulnerable child.
And so, as a young soldier, that’s what inspired me to want to spend the rest of my life standing with fathers. And that’s really how I see my apostolate. I’m standing with fathers who are in impossible situations alone to defend their families from violence, and we want to stand with them to defend their families.
Eric Sammons:
That’s great. Now, people might think, “What the heck does this have anything to do with The Great Reset?” Like you said, everything that you do is kind of all together. You write this book about The Great Reset. What’s that have to do with defending the vulnerable? So I guess the first question I have to ask is, I mean related to that, but what is The Great Reset, and why do you see it as something that we should resist? Because, obviously, the people who promote The Great Reset, promote as helping the vulnerable and helping people, and things like that.
Jason Jones:
Yes. That’s softball pitch, Eric Sammons. You threw me a softball. Well, first of all, I ask myself that same question, by the way. What the heck? Because I’m very … Sometimes people say, “You’re doing so much, why aren’t you more focused?” I’m very focused. And so, when the COVID lockdowns were about to descend on the world, during the Italian lockdown, when Italy was locked down, I started speaking out, saying that if the world follows the China model that Italy now is following … This was very early on, we’re going to create a famine. Because when you slow down food production, processing and distribution, the most vulnerable people in the world are going to starve.
That was my number one fear. I didn’t know about the HEK vaccine yet, human embryonic kidney … HEK vaccine. I didn’t know about any of this. But my number one concern was food security for the poorest people on earth.
So then in my home state of Hawaii, I was going to lead a protest against the lockdown. And I ended up being the first person in the United States arrested, leading an anti-COVID lockdown. And at this moment I was like, “Am I distracting …” I’m obviously putting myself in a position of vulnerability. I was being attacked in the media. I was not only on the front cover of my local newspaper, above the fold, I was in newspapers across the country. And I was actually on Drudge Report in handcuffs.
So I was asking myself, “Is this mission creep?” And it was not. It was not, and I understood that, but I was questioning that. And the other thing was, why did I write this book? I’m going to be very honest. And I’m glad I can say it on the Crisis podcast. I was supposed to write another book for you. And that was, On Rocky Soil, a Spiritual Autobiography From a Man You May Not Meet in Heaven. And that’s my next book. But I was really in a very dark place. I became despondent in the wake of the fall of Afghanistan. It’s really hard to even talk about because we lost a lot of people that we were trying to evacuate. Families, women and children. And people, in the media, we tell our successes. We don’t go to the press and say, “We lost an interpreter and his family that we moved to Abbey Gate during the Abbey Gate explosion.” We don’t tell that to people, right?
Eric Sammons:
Right.
Jason Jones:
And so, I was despondent. I was dealing with accidie, to use theological terms. And I was in no place to write about my relationship with God. I had signed the contract with you guys, and I want people to know this. Because this is a very decent and humane thing that you guys did for me. And I’d say, “Can I have another year to write this book? Because I’ll come out of this funk.” It was a very dark place. And I want to say I never lost my faith in God.
I thank God for this grace. I believed in God in the midst of my deep sorrow and confusion. And the only way I can put it is God and I were in the same car. I was like, “Yeah, okay, we’re going to the Grand Canyon together on vacation. Okay, we’re driving across the country, but how about let’s not talk, let’s just listen to music, okay? I want to sit here.”
And so, I had asked. It was in June. It was in June of last year that I had this book in me. I was very angry at The Great Reset, and I saw a lot of wonderful books on The Great Reset that looked at the economics, looked at it through politics. But to me it was really about anthropology. And so, I just called and asked, “I said, I’m not going to make the deadline on this book,” which as a writer, memoirs are the easiest things to write, obviously. You’re writing about yourself, your thoughts, your feelings. My relationship with God, my stories. But I couldn’t. I just couldn’t write it. And so, I’d asked. I was in Ukraine, and I got a call from you guys like, “Hey, how’s it looking?” And I’m like, “It’s not looking. Like, nothing. Like, a blank page.”
I said, “But I want to write this book, The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset, that looks at it through the anthropological lens.” Through a Girardian lens, really. And I can’t believe I got Gil Bailey to write the epilogue. To me, that’s the best part about the book, is Gil Bailey wrote the epilogue. And I wanted to write this book because I was in Ukraine. I had gone through cities that were just devastated. And I could see the brutality, the crass brutality and thoughtlessness to human suffering of our quote, unquote, “Global elite.”
I had lunch yesterday with former governor of Kansas, former senator from Kansas, and former ambassador-at-large for religious liberty, Sam Brownback. And we were talking about the failure of the quote, unquote, “Elite.” The thoughtlessness to human suffering of our elite. That’s, to me, what The Great Reset is. What we worry about coming for us has already come for populations around the world, and it’s been devastating and brutal.
And so, that’s where my mission is just very simple, to defend the vulnerable from violence that are in seemingly impossible situations. But through solidarity, those impossible situations become possible. There is a new WHO agreement that right now, as we speak, countries around the world are debating, that will cede our sovereignty over not only the sovereignty of the United States, but every country in the world will be ceding their sovereignty over to the WHO. That can lock down any country in the world whenever they want or every country. Or they can just say, “We’re going to lock down Texas because of a climate emergency.” Or, “We’re going to lock them down because of an abortion emergency.” That’s really in the agreement.
If a country doesn’t provide women access to abortion, they can lock it down. The WHO can lock it down. They pulled that out from the initial framework, but they told you what they hoped to do. And so, I realized that what we call The Great Reset, it’s at the heart of the work of the Vulnerable People Project. And it is not a conspiracy theory. They say out loud, “You are going to own nothing and be happy. You are going to eat cricket meat.” I mean, it sounds crazy to say, but so does partial birth abortion and born alive abortions, and euthanizing people like they do in Canada because they’re depressed.
It just sounds like a crazy person to say it. But this is the reality. And the reality is that COVID policy, while we were all suffering with Zoom fatigue, and I don’t know about you, Eric, but when you watched everything you wanted to watch on Amazon, and Netflix, and Hulu, and you’re like, “Oh no, the horror of the Lockdowns.” Well, we produced the … It was the greatest famine since World War II, and it received no coverage.
I was walking through the airport in the middle of the COVID shutdowns, and I walked past the newsstand, and the Atlantic, and the New Yorker, and Harper. All of these magazines had, “Zoom fatigue, Zoom fatigue, Zoom Fatigue,” articles on the cover. We were worried about Zoom fatigue. And trust me, I didn’t like the Zoom meetings any … I learned how to shower while on Zoom calls… Just shut the camera off, hope the camera’s off, don’t want to be a scandal.
And yeah, we were all tired of it. But the reality is COVID policy led to … Devastated a generation’s ability to learn and socialize, led to a massive spike in suicides, starve the world. And now, with the new WHO agreement, it’s barreling it. So this is an anthropological look. And by the way, The Great Reset’s all about anthropology, and maybe we can talk about that.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah, that’s exactly what I wanted to ask. Was kind of like the foundational principles of The Great Reset. What are they, and why is it basically an attack on who we are as men and women?
Jason Jones:
Well, the keystone is victimism. And victimism is a term … My wife said, “What’s your goal with this book?” I said, “My goal is that the word victimism ends up in the dictionary, and more people read Rene Girard and Gil Bailey. And if that’s what I achieve, I’m very happy.” What is victimism? Victimism is feigning concern for the vulnerable to achieve wealth, power and prestige. That’s what victimism is.
And the opposite of victim is I have the five principles of The Great Reset. These five ideological enthusiasms and the five humane principles that descend from Christian revelation and natural law. So the opposite of Victimism would be solidarity. Solidarity is when you stand in solidarity with the vulnerable until you become indistinguishable from those you stand with. And again, that’s why the Pieta to me is so important.
Our Lord became a curse so that we could become eternal life. He died so we could have life. Our lady is holding her son, lifeless body across. That’s solidarity. You can think of Saint Damien who traveled across two oceans to serve the lepers in Hawaii, and died of leprosy. Or St. Damien, who was a young priest, consecrated his priesthood at Sant’Andrea delle Fratte, at the Altar of the Miracle. He dedicated his priesthood to the conversion of the Jews and the Freemasons. And then he dies in the starvation bunker in Auschwitz. This is what authentic solidarity looks like. But if you’re getting credentialed, and you’re getting accolades, and you’re becoming incredibly wealthy, think Black Lives Matter. That’s victimism.
That’s what victimism is. So that’s the key. So once we understand that, like you said early on, they talk about open borders as if you support order at the border, instead of the chaos that we have now. You somehow are a hateful person. But the reality is, if you are authentically concerned for the vulnerable, every 11 seconds a young American dies from fentanyl. We have an economy that rests on the exploitation of over 11 million migrants in a dangerous underground economy.
If you have new immigrants, and the poorest Americans seeing their wages undercut by the exploitation of labor, of migrants that are here illegally. The exploitation of their labor drives down legal immigrants’ wages. If you really care about these vulnerable people, well, you’ll advocate a secure border. But yet you’ll be called a bigot. Well, that’s okay because that comes with the territory, right? You can think of the electric vehicle, which I beat up in the book, and I beat up often over there at the stream.
The electric vehicle is not only the greatest environmental catastrophe on the road, its wheels are 30% bigger. Most of the pollution that comes from vehicles today on the road, it’s from the tires of electric vehicles. But that’s not even the beginning of it. The real problem with electric vehicles is your EV, which I call a BV. You have blood diamonds, you have blood vehicles. The electric vehicle is birthed in the cobalt mines of Congo, where you have Christian children as young as six digging by hand for cobalt, working for CCP-owned companies. So CCP-owned companies exploiting child labor in toxic cobalt mines so you can drive your EV.
Let’s not talk about what lithium does in central and South America. So you can drive your EV with your Coexist bumper sticker feeling like a great person. What you really are is a victimist. You’re a victimist. And so, that’s the core principle.
So when I say it’s anthropological, the other two core principles are transhumanism and anti-humanism. Well, transhumanism and anti-humanism are drawing and quartering the true … About the true understanding of the human person, which was made fully known through the incarnation of the second person of the Trinity, is a man. It was first revealed through Jewish scriptures. Even through reason, we get a glimpse of it. I was an Ayn Rand objectivist atheist until my late 20s, which is very embarrassing.
But Ayn Rand said something that captivated me as a 7th grader. I read something that she wrote when I was in 7th grade. And she said that the exalted dignity of the human person is axiomatic, it’s self-evident. And it is. You look at your neighbor as he’s dragging his garbage can out to the curb, and you can look at that guy in his robe, belly hanging out, and you go, “That guy is the most beautiful created thing in the cosmos.”
Like, I can get on a rocket and go in any direction for all eternity, and I will never bump into a creature as beautiful as a human person. C.S. Lewis says, “God must have given us a veil, because if we saw each other as we truly were, we couldn’t walk down the street without dropping to our knees and looking up and staring at every person we see.”
This is a truth that you don’t need revelation to acknowledge. As Ayn Rand said is self-evident, is axiomatic, as our founding father said in the Declaration Principle, Declaration of Independence. That what we call the Declaration Principle, “We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men are created equal.” But that’s not an explanation. But theologians, and philosophers, and priests, and laymen for centuries meditating on the gospel of Jesus Christ gave us this understanding that, “Well, what is the source of this axiomatic dignity, self-evident?”
Well, we were made in the image and likeness of God. And The Great Reset seeks to wipe that away. On the one hand, by promising you that they’re going to make you more than human, uploading your brain into the cloud. And on the other hand, you have the anti-humanism that seeks to brazenly reduce population. Abortion, assisted suicide, euthanasia. Then you have gnosticism. What does gnosticism have to do with The Great Reset? You think of the fact-checkers on Facebook. This is gnosticism.
You have these mysterious elites that don’t have to explain themselves saying, “This is fake. This is true.” They’re obliterating our ability to communicate. The reason why the church has always condemned gnosticism, it doesn’t have to be demonic. It doesn’t have to come from a Ouija board. No. When you have anonymous, ambiguous … Think of QAnon. Anonymous, ambiguous statements that can’t be refuted or supported.
What this does in a community, it creates violence and breakdown, because we cannot communicate. We can no longer trust each other or communicate honestly. So gnosticism is another key ideological enthusiasm of The Great Reset. And then finally, the climate cult, which is controlling … It’s really controlling energy production and distribution, and we are keeping energy away from the poorest people in the world. Something that’s funny is … Funny, not haha, but strange. You would think with the work of VPP, something I would do would make the normal victimist human rights people go, “Good for you, Jason Jones. That’s beautiful.” One of the things might be our Coal for Christmas campaign.
This is a fact, Eric Sammons. I have distributed more coal for Christmas than Saint Nicholas or Santa ever has. Because I’ve distributed thousands of tons of coal to good boys and girls across Afghanistan. For the children, widows and orphans and religious minorities who suffer death by exposure.
We distribute coal every year. Over a hundred million hours in heat, in the past three years. I get criticized for this, that I’m contributing to global warming because we’re giving coal to keep families alive. I can promise you, Eric, my carbon footprint, your carbon footprint in one year is more than the average Afghan’s quote … Who cares? I don’t care how much plant food you put in the world, but that’s good for you. But the reality is, you and I put more plant food in the air every year than an Afghan family will do in its entire life. But the fact that I’m distributing coal, I get criticized and people actually say, “You should provide them solar energy.” “Okay, sure.” Yeah, solar energy that’s made with petroleum products, by the way.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah. I mean, so much to that. So much there. Now, it’s still … Great Reset sounds very shadowy, and specifically though I feel like there’s multiple layers of The Great Reset. There’s the useful idiots. The people who actually do think they’re helping the world. And so, they’re all on board with a lot of stuff that happens. You see that with the midwits on Twitter who are supporting it, and a lot of media outlets. But on the top level, we know some names like a Klaus Schwab, or a Bill Gates, or something like that. How is this coordinated? Is it just a bunch of really rich men and women who are just basically on the same page? Or is it more of a coordinated effort? So who is it actually that we’re talking about that we’re against here?
Jason Jones:
Well, it’s very coordinated. I don’t know if you heard that Klaus Schwab is seeking to resign from the World Economic Forum.
Eric Sammons:
I saw that, yeah.
Jason Jones:
Strangely, He has to ask the permission of the Swiss government to resign. That was very strange to me. You wonder, where’s this all going? Where’s this coming from? I’ll tell you. By the way, I want to address. I got a criticism. Somebody emailed me. It was very strange. A supporter emailed me and said, “I don’t like your book at all.” I hadn’t had a negative review yet. So I was like, “Okay.”
And he wanted a lot of the cloak and dagger, the conspiracy theory. And what I wanted to do was cut the advocates of The Great Reset off at the past, which is defending the Christian understanding the human person, and the humane institutions that emanate from it and expose the ideologies they use to hack at the roots. But what he wanted was more of the mechanisms of the operations of the control. And I think that’s what you’re getting to. I want to share, it’s highly interconnected. My first glimpse of this was in the late 90s.
I was a college student. I was in my apartment, and it was, maybe … I think it was ’95. I don’t remember exactly what year, but we were barreling down on the end of the century. The end of the millennia. And there was a Charlie Rose special. And I don’t remember all who was on the panel, but Bill Gates was on the panel and Charlie Rose … And Warren Buffett was on the panel. Now, at this time, I was an Ayn Rand atheist objectivist. And I would not have been opposed to transhumanism, necessarily.
So Bill Gates, Charlie Rose asked them, “What’s the biggest change that you see coming in the next thousand years, next 100 years?” And Bill Gates said … The magic year 2030 came up. “The biggest change in the next thousand years will happen by 2030. And that’s, human beings will become immortal. We are going to develop the ability to make the computer and your head, the meat computer in the head and this computer compatible. And you’ll go to a doctor every six months and upload your consciousness into the computer. And then, when you die, we can download your consciousness into … Let’s say you get hit by a car, into a clone of yourself. And you’ll only lose a couple months from your last upload to then.”
He said, “Eventually, you’ll be uploading into a cloud, or you can wear wearable devices.” He said, “First there’ll be wearable devices, but eventually you’ll just upload it, and in real time. You get hit by the car, you’ll lose no, none of your memory.” And now this is where it gets heavy. This is where it gets into the anti-humanism. And this is where I say transhumanism and anti-humanism are a war on our posterity.
We are waging war on our posterity. We are vultures that are praying on our own posterity before they’re born, because we see them as competitors for resources. This is what Bill Gates said. Human beings will no longer need to reproduce to continue as a species. They will continue as a species, not through reproduction, but through radical extension of our lives. Peter Thiel famously said, an interesting man, pro-life, Girardian, transhumanist, Christian in a same-sex marriage. Interesting fellow. But he said that the first person to live to be a thousand has already been born.
So we don’t need to reproduce, Bill Gates says. Then Warren Buffett said, “And this is how Bill got me to understand the importance of population control.” So you look at the obsession with population control that you see coming from the elite. They’re the same people. The elite used to spend their wealth on libraries, right? Parks, education. Now, they’re spending billions of dollars investing in transhumanist technology.
And I outline some examples in my book of one gentleman who takes blood plasma from his son. Regularly, they go, and him and his son sit next to each other and the plasma from his son goes into his body. It cost him a million dollars a year. He said he eventually stopped it. Not because it was immoral or he felt bad about it, but because it just wasn’t working, he felt. He’s a vampire, but who was his vampire feeding off of? His own son.
Well, in a way, when Bill Gates and Warren Buffett were sitting there on PBS in the 90s. What they were saying is that we must destroy our posterity, not … We need to be not thoughtful of them. We need to make sure they never come about. Why? “Because we’ll be there.” So after seeing that, whenever I hear Bill Gates and Warren Buffett use victimism in the language of concern for future generations, I know who they’re talking about, themselves.
Eric Sammons:
I mean, it does make sense, the population control push. Because you’re taking away, in their mind, they’re taking … These kids are taking away future resources from them.
Jason Jones:
Exactly.
Eric Sammons:
Because they’re never going to die. I mean, they think. I mean, they’re in for a big shock soon. But yeah, it’s amazing that they can do that now. And I feel like, and I think a lot of us agree that COVID in a lot of ways, the response to COVID was a trial run for how do we make some of these things happen? How do we control the populace in such a way? I mean, some people would even say that COVID itself was a … I’m going to get totally kicked off of YouTube. But the idea being that it was partially part of the population control aspects. But also the government control, and things of that nature. And so, how does that all tie into The Great Reset and their practical ways they’re trying to make what they want happen to happen?
Jason Jones:
Yeah, we have to come up with words, right?
Eric Sammons:
Yeah, right.
Jason Jones:
The comedy that came out about abortion, and they call it shma-shmortion. I don’t want to say shma-shmortion, we want to call it.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah, right. Exactly.
Jason Jones:
Yeah, look, here’s what you need to know. Right now, the WHO is saying, “That worked so well.” The only thing that didn’t work well is we didn’t have enough control. We need to be able to shut down the entire world. God forbid. My family fled our home in Hawaii for Texas to escape COVID policy.
That was the only flaw in the lockdown the WHO sees. So the WHO, these are distant unelected bureaucracies from countries, beautiful countries. Like Dr. Tedros is from a beautiful country, Ethiopia. But there’s that food to government paradigm. Like the better the food, the worse the government. Okay, my favorite food is Ethiopian. The last … Okay, but my least favorite politicians are from Ethiopia. Why would we want to give an Ethiopian control over locking down Brown County in Texas, or Cook County in Chicago, or Maui County in Hawaii?
Why would we do … That’s insane. I will give Dr. Tedros … He can come over … He come to my house and cook me dinner. I’ll let him do that. Make me some Ethiopian, I’ll be happy with that. But I don’t want him to control my county. I was handcuffed by my former students that I taught Christology and Ethics to 20 years earlier. Handcuffed me, because I was leading a peaceful protest with family singing, women dancing hula, children riding their bikes, and I was handcuffed.
Of course, I was never charged. I was thrown in the back of a car. Left in a police car, in a basement with the windows up for three hours before they processed me. Why? Because Honolulu was obeying the WHO’s policies, which came from China. So at the end of the day, the WHO was a sock puppet for the CCP. And the city and county of Honolulu and HPD became a sock puppet for the WHO.
And I was handcuffed. A woman who was handcuffed with me, and the other man who was handcuffed with me, they both had heat stroke, and were hospitalized. And they were so frustrated that … I was fine back there. I was just there, and I was praying. I just said, “God, who’s been in the back of here?” I thought of the lawyer that got the DUI. The young woman. I just thought of every kind of criminal that sat back here. I was trying to visualize them and pray for them. And when they came to get me out of the back of the police car, I was kind of upset because I was in such a role, praying. I was like, “No, no, no, I got more. No, no, no, no. I got more praying to do. You can leave me back here.” “Are you sure? You look like you’re melting.” “I’m good, bro.”
But this is what we’re looking at. But in Kenya, for example, agriculture workers only worked half days. Why? Because they were looking at a year in prison and a $5,000 fine if they didn’t make it home before curfew. In India, the poorest of the poor, the Dalits, the Untouchables and others that were migrant workers suffered incredible abuse at the hands of the government if they violated COVID policy, trying to feed their family and work.
So the reality is they looked at what they did and they said, “Wow, that was pretty good, guys. Let’s do that again, and again, and again. We can’t let Sweden slip out this time. We don’t want Texas and Florida to slip out this time.” So yeah, it’s very serious stuff. And so, what does it have to do with my apostolate, the Vulnerable People Project? It’s at the end of the day, The Great Reset is the greatest threat to human dignity ever. In fact, this WHO treaty right now that we’re looking at is the most severe threat to our sovereignty since The War of 1812. And that may sound like hyperbole, but it is not hyperbole. This is real. This is real.
Eric Sammons:
So one of the things I like about your book, The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset, is that it might seem like somebody might see this and think, “Oh, it’s one of these books where you’re just raging like an old man on his porch, raging at the kids, getting off his lawn. Getting mad at these people.” But it’s a very hopeful book. That’s what’s great about it.
And so, my question to you now is let’s move on to, okay, these forces, these evil and very powerful, let’s be honest, very, very powerful forces are aligned in this threat to human dignity. What can I, just speaking to anybody in the audience here who just maybe just a regular person. What can I do about that? Is there any hope for me that the world’s not going to be taken over by these evil men? And what can I do to actually resist it?
Jason Jones:
Yeah. Well, I look at everything through hopeful lens. Not an optimist, but I have hope. A lot of the Afghan allies that we’ve rescued, they’ll say to me, “I remember your first words to me were …” On the phone when we talked to them on signal or however we’re talking to them, my first words to them, “You’re going to be okay. We’re going to be with you till your safe. Let’s find the way out of this problem. We’re going to find the way out of this problem for you.”
And so, of course, when I look at the problem of The Great Reset, I mean to leave my posterity, a culture of life and a civilization of love. I used to, Eric … When I was 17, I dropped out of high school and joining the Army on my 17th birthday. And I remember being 17, and laying in my bunk at Fort Benning, Georgia, staring at the ceiling and thinking, “I am the luckiest guy in the world. I am 17, and I’m in the infantry. I’m already in the army. Double my age and I’m 34, and I’ll still be young.” I remember being 34 and saying, “I’m 34, I’ve done this and this. I want to do so much more. Double my age, I’m 68. I’m still working.” Now I’m 52, I’m like, “I’m 52, double my age and there’s a tombstone that someone hasn’t cut the grass around for 10 years.”
But how I really see it is where am I going to be in 52 years? Well, I hope, with our Lord. But here, where can I be? I really want to have planted a lot of olive trees that my grandchildren will be sitting under and eating from. And so, when we think to battle back against The Great Reset, we are going to win. But one thing we should recognize is we may not end up in the Shire. And in fact, I quote Frodo in the beginning of the book, that, “We’ll save the Shire, but not for us.”
And I’m completely comfortable with that. I am completely comfortable dying on my way to Mordor, hopefully on my way back. So I’m completely comfortable with that. So what is the way out? Well, the proper name for this book … We wouldn’t have sold as many copies, and it’s selling very well, would’ve been, The Mystical Body of Christ, Versus the Mystical Body of the Antichrist.
Because this is what this is really about. And what The Great Reset is really about is wiping away the Christian understanding of the human person. That’s why you’ll find Heidegger so often. Nietzsche and Heidegger, so many of these philosophies that are at the root of these enthusiasms, because it’s not enough for them to even wipe away Christ. They want to wipe away Logos. They want to wipe away any sort of comprehensive, metaphysical, proper understanding of truth.
They want to wipe away not only anthropology, but epistemology. So at the root you find so many times, Heidegger. So how do we battle back? And this one guy who didn’t like my book, he didn’t understand. I don’t know what he thinks, what strategy or tactics that we can use to expose the WHO? No. How we win, it’s very simple. And that’s why I used, The Great Campaign.
It comes from … Two people used it, Saint, John Paul, the Great who called us to launch a great campaign against the culture of death. Marshaling resources like we did against totalitarianism and fascism, socialism and fascism. And C.S. Lewis wrote that we need to launch when Christ landed, arrived. It’s like the rightful king landed, and we’re launching a great campaign of sabotage of this world.
So we want to sabotage what the globalists have in store. We want a great campaign promoting the gospel of life. So how do we win? It’s just very simple. The first thing is we live lives and we advocate, and this is the Catholic’s battle. Communicating the truth and dignity about the human person, which is wonderful. My son … I’m traveling, my son’s right over there right now. Last night we came back, we had a great day. I did EWTN News Nightly, I met with Senator Brownback, and then I met with some other folks.
My son and I came back and there was a homeless guy, and he was arguing with the 7/11 guy. He wanted something, he didn’t have enough money. I’m like, “What do you want, bro? I’ll get it for you.” He wanted cigarettes. Now, I’m not getting you cigarettes, man. And he said, “Oh, come on.” I said, “No.” He’s like, “Why don’t you want to give me cigarettes?” I’m like, “Because I love you, and I don’t want you to get cancer.” He’s like, “Oh, I really want those cigarettes.”
I said, “I’m going to get you cigarettes.” And I pointed at the cashier. I said, “But when you get lung cancer, blame the cashier, not me. Okay? We’re going to get you these cigarettes.” The first pack of cigarettes I’ve ever purchased in my life, I’ve never smoked cigarette. So I bought the guy the cigarettes, and he goes, “You love me, don’t you? You really do.”
I said, “Of course I love you. I love you. I love him.” “Why?” I go, “You know your made in the image and likeness of God, right? You know that about yourself, right?” The guy glowed, didn’t he son? He’s nodding. Yeah. Smiled. And he said to my son, “You got the coolest dad, man.”
And he just smiled because he knew it, by the way. But he didn’t know it. He didn’t know if I knew it. I think this guy, he knew that he was made the image and likeness of God. He understood that. But he was surprised I understood that about him. Because he wasn’t looking good. He wasn’t in good shape. This is our job. This is the foundation of our apostolate today as Catholic laypeople. And I think the heresy of the age, I think it’s a Christian heresy. Victimism is a Christian heresy, and it’s dominating the world.
So as Catholics, the foundation of our campaign against The Great Reset is to unapologetically advocate for the truth of the human person. And that’s the first whole life principle. The core principle of everything good and noble in our society that we seek to conserve emanates from the Christian understanding of the human person.
So the first principle that I have in the book is Christian personalism. And that’s the core. That’s the key. As Victimism is the key to understanding the ideological enthusiasm of the Great Reset, the proper understanding of the human person. If we had a society where everybody understood that they were made the image and likeness of God and their neighbors had invaluable dignity, beauty, and worth, The Great Reset would just crash and turn to dust. So that’s the foundation of it all.
Eric Sammons:
Now we’re going to wrap it up here in a minute, but I want to ask, what are some signs of hope that you’ve seen, like practical things you’ve actually seen that makes you have hope for the future? And like you said, not optimism, because optimism is just a human thing that we’re just like … We think under our own power we can do something. But what are some signs of hope that you’ve seen in all your travels and talking to people that there is … That we don’t have to feel like The Great Reset is inevitable, that it’s just going to happen no matter what?
Jason Jones:
Well, look at the farmers in Northwestern Europe, the truckers in Canada, the deplorables all across the United States that were not having it. But something else that gives me a lot of hope is I think we can all agree that the church has not been speaking clearly and consistently grounded in our tradition, in our magisterium. But yet, somehow, I’ve never seen more people coming to the faith. You know what? We used to talk about the springtime of faith 20 years ago. That wasn’t the springtime of faith. That was the Indian summer of faith. That was Indian summer. Does that make sense?
Eric Sammons:
Yes, it’s very clear. I remember the 90s very well. And there was this optimism. And it’s very different now. The people converting now is very different. Because I converted back into the ’90s, but there’s a whole different vibe to it. That I feel the same way, that it’s just something different about it that I feel like it’s a little bit deeper. Because sadly, a lot of the converts from the ’90s did eventually leave the faith again. And that’s tragic, because I think a lot of it was based upon some human considerations, like the charisma and power of JP two, things like that.
Jason Jones:
The conferences were great. You’d get your big bundle, plastic bundle, 12 CD sets. And you’d go home. You had your Scott Hahn books, and then there was the series of Truth Speaks. The different converts would tell their stories.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah, yeah. Surprised by Truth, right.
Jason Jones:
It was Surprised by Truth one, and two, and three. I was like, “One day I’ll be in that book.” I was never in that book. And it was so exciting. I think we are living now in the very first days of the springtime of faith. And when I look at people like Russell Brand. By the way, he’s still poorly formed. But he’s amazing. And I look at all these people coming to the church, and it’s like a move of the Holy Spirit, clearly.
Eric Sammons:
I love all these people. Like, Russell Brand. I mean, yeah, we know he is not fully formed. Candace Owens recently, that … I can’t remember her name, but that porn star who’s converted, and all these people that like, yeah … I mean, first of all, as a convert, I knew very little about the Catholic faith the day after I was brought into the church. I mean, it’s not like you learn it all beforehand and now you’re an expert.
Jason Jones:
Exactly.
Eric Sammons:
Give these people time. And especially somebody like Russell Brand. Yeah, he needs time to see what’s going on. But you see a real longing, and it’s a funny thing because in the ’90s it seemed like people were … And not denigrating people converted in the ’90s. I’m one of them. But it was more of a, looking at the positives of the church on the surface or Catholicism. But now it’s more like they’re seeing those positives through a lot of the evil, which I think there’s something deeper to that.
There’s evil around them, and somehow God is piercing through that evil to show them there is another way. There’s another way than a life as a porn star or as a celebrity, and living that type of lifestyle. So it really is pretty beautiful.
Jason Jones:
Yeah, no, and they know the social cost.
Eric Sammons:
Right.
Jason Jones:
There was no cost then. It was no cost. And yet they’re still coming to the church. And the young people, this Gen Z, Gen Alpha, I don’t even know. I think generations don’t make sense anymore. They used to be big, and now I think because technology’s changing so fast that there are big gaps between people who are maybe only 10 years apart.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah, I see it. I have kids that are very … 18 years apart from the oldest to youngest. And I have a break in between, but the older kids versus the younger kids, they do seem like different generations in a lot of ways.
Jason Jones:
Well, there’s something that’s very wise. Gen Z and Gen Alpha, there was a great quote on my next movie, the Ernest Hemingway film I’m making. Hemingway hated how people called his generation the Lost Generation. And they were, right? I mean, they suffered World War I, which was very brutal. If you want to understand the Jazz age, you have to understand that these women that you saw, these flappers smiling, had shattered hearts because they were nurses during World War I.
And that’s the gilded age is really … Gilded is a good phrase because it was gilded. It was gold-plated sorrow. And Hemingway said, “To call us The lost generation isn’t fair. Every generation is lost. Every generation was broken by something.” But this generation was really broken by technology. And I have an open letter to young Americans, an introduction to young Americans called, The Adventure of Eros, Love Piety and Posterity.
And for every letter I’ve received a lot of messages. Someone’s already used it in a paper, term paper. Which is, it’s just a few weeks out. And somebody wrote me an email, “I used your book in a term paper.” But the struggle to have authentic Eros awakening has been destroyed by pornography and smartphones and dating apps. So this generation, they’re very wise though, and they call everyone over 25, I guess, a boomer. And I think that’s very wise, because I think if you went through puberty before you had a smartphone in your pocket, you are completely different than someone who had a smartphone in their pocket as they were going through puberty.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah, it’s a fundamental shift.
Jason Jones:
Yes. And so, these young people are waking up. So there’s hope there. A lot of them are coming even to the faith, but they’re bitter and angry. And so, we have a duty to form this generation, understand they’re angry. It’s of no fault of their own. They didn’t choose to be looking at pornography when they were nine years old, and they had … I say, if Michael J. Fox showed up to me when I was in junior high with a smartphone in his DeLorean, knowing what I know now, I’d shoot him with a shotgun right in his chest, right.
Eric Sammons:
Exactly.
Jason Jones:
The Sears catalog was dangerous enough. Don’t give me this phone. To your point of I have hope with these young people, but they scare me too. And I think that a Nietzschean, godless right may be a greater challenge to the future than sort of this woke, vicious, utopian left. So this is the fundamental importance of Catholic Apostolates like Crisis and the Vulnerable People Project. That we really need to speak into the sorrow and pain of these young people. And I’m grateful that you gave me an opportunity to write this book because the truth is, I wrote this book for that generation.
Eric Sammons:
That’s great.
Jason Jones:
And I’m so excited to say that Turning Point USA is going to be doing a summer essay competition with $50,000 in scholarships and prizes around the book.
Eric Sammons:
That’s awesome.
Jason Jones:
And it’s something I’m really grateful for, yeah.
Eric Sammons:
Yeah. Well, thanks for talking with us, Jason. This is great. I know you got a million other things you’re doing right now, and want to spend time with your son, I’m sure while you’re out. I always love when I have to take a trip for some reason, and I’m able to take one of my kids with me. It just, it’s no longer business trip then.
It’s just like now it’s like, “Okay, now I spend time with one of my kids.” And I think that’s fun to do. But okay, so The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset. Of course, I’ll put a link to it for people to purchase it. I really do encourage you to do so. Also, where can people find out about all the stuff you’re doing? What’s the best place to go to say, “Okay, what’s Jason Jones up to these days?”
Jason Jones:
All right, well the Jason Jones show is the best place to go. And it’s striking how big this little show has become. Just yesterday, my son and I were in an ice cream shop and a young woman was looking at me. I thought I had something on my nose, or … And she’s like, “Excuse me, sir, you Jason Jones? I’m a surface warfare officer in the Navy, and I always listen to your show.” That meant a lot to me.
So the Jason Jones show. And I have no filter by the way. People call me and go, “Do you know what you just said on your show? You’re not in a confessional, you know?” I said, “Oh, okay.” I don’t know. And then vulnerablepeopleproject.com, or follow us on Instagram, the Vulnerable People Project. And I think you’ll be surprised to see the work that we do and where we do it. And to one of your first questions, it’s all by the grace of God. We say the work we do, it’s the Holy Spirit action plan. God does things right next to us, then we point to our donors and, “Look what we did. We just did that.” But the truth is, the reality is God does things right next to us and we just point and take credit.
Eric Sammons:
Amen. Amen. Well, thanks Jason. I appreciate it. Encourage people again, buy the book, check out all that Jason’s work that he’s doing. And if you can, you’re able to support … Obviously, pray for it, but also if you can financially support it, I encourage people to do so. Okay. Until next time, everybody. God love you.